tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post2084166287850633156..comments2023-10-07T04:19:14.316-07:00Comments on A CHRISTIAN VOICE FOR GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDER RIGHTS: IT'S NOT ABOUT ISSUESJerry Manekerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00748201321055468172noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-82870379790717725702011-01-07T19:24:56.993-08:002011-01-07T19:24:56.993-08:00Okay, I understand where you are coming from now r...Okay, I understand where you are coming from now re straight allies. Thanks, FQ.FQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-5924433498112144372011-01-05T21:31:36.247-08:002011-01-05T21:31:36.247-08:00Hi FQ: "So what about gay men who are 'gi...Hi FQ: "So what about gay men who are 'girlish'? Are they setting our movement back? Are gay men whose 'sugar is raw' turning off potential allies?" <br /><br />I can't speak for Don Charles, but clearly neither he nor I have ever even intimated that effeminate men or transgender people are in any way offensive! What is being discussed is traitorous behavior such as evidenced in the Million Fag March and the Folsom Street Fair that a couple of years ago mocked The Last Supper and, in my opinion, ironically mocked the Leather Community.<br /><br />Homophobes are going to hate Gay people regardless of how Gay people look and act! My point is that potential Straight allies are not won over by hedonists walking nude down Market Street in San Francisco, or by any other such displays. <br /><br />Unless the public face of Gay identity is presented as being just as viable, valuable, and decent as is heterosexual identity, the realization of equal rights will be retarded, and it is my contention that all too many people who embrace indecent displays and hateful epithets as self-identifiers are not at all interested in acquiring equal rights and, in fact, are wittingly or unwittingly betraying this civil rights struggle. Best wishes, Jerry.Jerry Manekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748201321055468172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-32838880122059004802011-01-05T18:50:11.958-08:002011-01-05T18:50:11.958-08:00"we also have some Gay people who seemingly w..."we also have some Gay people who seemingly willfully stick their finger in the eye of potential allies by deliberately dressing in bizarre ways for public consumption,"<br /><br />Interesting theory. Does that include gay men who are very feminine in their appearance and behavior? Or only those just dressed outrageously at a club or pride? And doesn't this include trangenders by default? Their appearance is quite "bizarre", according to most/many straight people.<br /><br />This is fascinating, Jerry. You and Don seem to be rather focused on so-called stereotypical gay behavior and the "this is why they hate us theory". It doesn't seem to be working for gay conservatives, who are making few inroads with Republicans and evangelicals. It surely isn't helping with marriage, ie, "we're normal and want a house, kids and picket fence just like you."<br /><br />So what about gay men who are 'girlish'? Are they setting our movement back? Are gay men whose 'sugar is raw' turning off potential allies? Many people say so, what are your and Don's thoughts?FQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-52174920692053956972011-01-02T19:59:14.623-08:002011-01-02T19:59:14.623-08:00You, too, have a wonderful New Year, Len! Also, l...You, too, have a wonderful New Year, Len! Also, let "the sick insanity" that we confront serve as a tonic to even further increase our fire in the belly to fulfill our ministries. Best wishes, Jerry.Jerry Manekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748201321055468172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-11455950771450430512011-01-02T17:32:59.483-08:002011-01-02T17:32:59.483-08:00I agree (the rest doesn´t make sense and we´ve pic...I agree (the rest doesn´t make sense and we´ve picked over it down to the bare bone)...I´m going to add a Part II of your essay tomorrow--it makes the clearest sense to me and I´m tired of jumping up and done for no reason...the sick insanity has worn me down but I haven´t caught it.<br /><br />Best to you and yours this New Year,<br /><br />LeonardoLeonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-36987130073426070622011-01-02T13:59:46.935-08:002011-01-02T13:59:46.935-08:00Thanks so much, Len. I'm convinced that the b...Thanks so much, Len. I'm convinced that the best defense is a good offense, and we must concentrate on the dysfunctional nature of the people who are stridently homophobic. <br /><br />Dealing with such issues as homophobia's relationship to dysfunctional sexuality; to emotional immaturity; to intellectual sloppiness; to the need for power, prestige, wealth, acceptance, and influence; to gullibility; to heresy, are what's needed to help move this struggle for equal rights forward. Best wishes, Jerry.Jerry Manekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748201321055468172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2688218899576616463.post-75761393414351805472011-01-02T12:02:17.133-08:002011-01-02T12:02:17.133-08:00Thanks (again) Jerry for this powerful reminder--s...Thanks (again) Jerry for this powerful reminder--so obvious, so clear, so accepted without blinkining amongst the righteous, the pure the terrorfilled/ignorant vigilante jury surrounding our everyday lives...it is they who are deceived (self and other)...Lord have mercy.Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.com